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Scipio Artelius
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Posted - 2014.03.12 10:45:00 -
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Orphanage and boarding school totally dismisses the value that the experienced players in those Corps bring to new players in the game.
That's not what they are at all and in recommending them, it's less a case of packing off wayward boys, and more a case of trying to provide advice that is known to be useful.
There are a lot of Corporations with veteran players that help train new players, but veteran players don't need to go researching who they are, because they don't need them. When a new player comes along and asks, it's easy to recommend the well known ones, who have structures and systems specifically designed to offer support in the early period.
There is nothing sinister, underhanded or dismissive in that approach. Those are just the Corps that everyone knows about.
Whether new players are useful or not has less to do with Skillpoints and more to do with attitude. A good attitude makes even a low SP player like myself, useful to a Corp.
But nut jobs are useful to no one.
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Posted - 2014.03.12 11:05:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:It's kind of funny how easily people in this game flip the switch between proper and improper real life comparisons
It's not funny how they flip the switch, but where they flip it.
Some are able to make reasonable comparisons to real situations and others, not so much.
Clearly what is reasonable is different for different people, but in general some common sense rules apply.
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Posted - 2014.03.12 18:54:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Your words say, "have fun!", but your actions say "GTFO"
There is no universal "your" here. The forum doesn't represent the thought of one entity. It's a collection of individual thoughts and opinions.
Which ones out of those you find useful and how you assess that is totally up to you. No one has a responsibility to hold your hand.
Actions however, do speak louder than words. They might be worth following.
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Posted - 2014.03.13 04:17:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:There's no political ramifications. It's a closed room where the effects do not reverberate outward, only within. If it's possible for a new player to join those corporations and enjoy the game from day 1, then due to being within the same game, it should also be possible for new players to join politically active corporations and also experience the feeling of contribution, a more meaningful sense of contribution because of it's impact.
You do know BNI just made a move to sov null and have taken their first systems right?
They are very much playing the political game and if that's what you are looking for, then they offer everything from lowsec small gang pvp to capital fleets in sov systems.
That would be a good place to go.
Eve-Uni don't hold sov, but effectively hold EZA in Syndicate through their presence there and Uphallant in lowsec through their presence there. These aren't internal fight-fests, they regularly fight many different fleets and people, both on their roams out of Uphallant; and as a consequence of people knowing where they are.
There are lots of opportunities to explore different aspects of the game, but in most cases, to become a significant figure in politics in the game, it's going to take some bold moves in the meta game (where character skillpoints don't matter) or a long time grinding up through the ranks of a major Coalition. Hardly any players in the game have that experience, let alone new players.
You can want 100% access to every single aspect of the game from day 1, but it's not that sort of game. It will reward the amount of risk you are personally willing to accept and leave you in the lurch if you prefer a cotton wool blanket.
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Posted - 2014.03.13 04:35:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:But you've more than explained how a new person isn't to expect to get involved in things that would be meaningful. Give up the expectation and just do it.
New Eden is diverse with all sorts of people with an infinite combination of views about the game. Go find people with a similar view and goals and join them.
It's just not up to others to do that work for you. If you want to get ahead, be prepared to do the work yourself.
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Posted - 2014.03.13 04:52:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Well I am a noob. I did alot of farming in FW because I was informed of how it was incredibly lucrative, which it was.
It's as valid a form of play as any other, so while farmers are given a lot of grief on the forum (they frustrate me at times too), there is absolutely nothing wrong with that as your style of play if it provides you what you want.
If others (including me at times) tear up about it, then your winning EvE on that point.
From all your (difficult) threads, it's fairly clear that you have higher aims than being a farmer forever, so don't bother if someone knocks you for it. Laugh at them and hide the tissues.
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Posted - 2014.03.13 05:02:00 -
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Kaerf Arkanghel wrote:your perception of the game is screwed that's why you are screwed and bored. Somehow I suspect he isn't bored at all.
I kind of suspect he views the forum as a form of pvp he can currently win. To be honest, he's been beating a lot of us here. He keeps ignoring opinions and frustrating everyone.
He's doing exactly what many of us do in game.
Assuming there is no underlying psychological issue, forum killboard wise, he's way ahead of anyone else here at the moment.
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Posted - 2014.03.13 05:30:00 -
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Kaerf Arkanghel wrote:dude, what have you done to me...
fck that, i won't admit that....
ill just walk away now....
Your QQ is showing.
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Posted - 2014.03.13 05:38:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:It just really sucks because it's such an easily abusable system. Like I fully understand what the purpose is. I'm "suppose" to take a ship to a complex and fight whoever shows up. I'm given alot of LP because I'm providing content and risking myself against an unknown variable and it's expected I should die alot.
Even CCP have acknowledged in the past that the only limit to the abuse of any system is players inventiveness. Don't sweat it. Plexing isn't abuse. It's smart for many (but frustrating to those of us that like to shoot and be shot at).
I think I've written in response to you before that FW is not only about pvp. It's about at least 3 (4 really) things:
1. conflict leading to pvp
2. system control
3. FW specific pve in the form of missions
(4.) tears. lots of tears.
Plexing fits perfectly into point 2 and nothing to be ashamed of or embarassed about. Every pvper that tears up over plexing is a win for the farmers (and there are lots of threads, ideas and feature suggestions to remove farming, so it draws lots of tears).
So my view is nothing in the game sucks. It's all good no matter what it is. As long as you are having fun, then your winning. If not, then your losing (and usually someone else is winning, so it's all balanced).
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Posted - 2014.03.13 05:47:00 -
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Gabriel Z wrote:Shut up and join.
Shut up and join please and thank you!
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